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More Religious Irony 
28th-Sep-2001 07:47 pm
Trevor baby stare
The intersection of the following two sets is strikingly high:
  • The set of people who believe abortions should be illegal to perform
  • The set of people who believe that God gave humans free choice, and we should follow His will, but forcing people to do so is wrong. (That is, if God made us to believe in Him naturally, it wouldn't be as $value as faith given freely)

That is, it's up to an individual to send herself to hell or heaven, but sending an unviable person to purgatory (or, if God's a nice guy, heaven) should not be a matter of choice, even if everyone were to choose the "right" option.

The intersection contains a higher number of otherwise consistent people than the intersection of the set who wish to ban abortion but increase practice of the death penalty, and is thus more fun to pick at.

And while I'm on the subject of Christian views of death, if heaven is so great and they believe so fully in the teachings of Christ, why don't many Christians kill themselves? What sacrifice is it for Christ to give up the pain of Earth and return early to Heaven, the most wonderful place in existence?

28th-Sep-2001 08:44 pm (UTC) - Well...
I know for one thing that Christians can't really kill themselves to speed up the getting into heaven process, 'cause suicide automatically disqualifies you from the big pie contest in the sky. As for Jesus having it rough having to die early....The guy was nailed to a tree, Trevor. I mean, that's pretty shitty right there, don't you think? Even if you DO get to go to a swank party afterwards? "Dude, guys, it's the weekend, and there's this great rave! The only catch is, you have to let them ram sharp things through your hands and feet first. So, who's in?"
28th-Sep-2001 09:47 pm (UTC) - Re: Well...
There's some (that's an understatement) discrepancy amongst Christians as to what gets you into heaven. Many say that accepting Jesus Christ as one's savior etc. etc. is the only thing needed to get in. Having accepted him, they claim, you will want to live in accordance with God's will, but transgressions will be forgiven.

Of course, you could always not kill yourself outright but just disregard your own safety, which I don't think is a mortal sin.

And when the prize is supreme happiness for several extra years, what's a few nails? A real sacrifice would be something like... being forever human. Or nailed to a tree forever, but still alive. Or going to Hell to send the humans to Heaven.

Jorge Luis Borges actually wrote a short story summarizing a book some fictional Borgesian character wrote in which he postulated that God did become human and was incarnate in... Judas, because he had to make the ultimate sacrifice. Think about it for a while...
29th-Sep-2001 09:43 am (UTC) - Actually
The whole suicide not getting you into heaven thing is something the Catholics added in, because monks were actually killing themselves to get to heaven faster.

1st-Oct-2001 01:43 pm (UTC) - Searching found you
Hope you don't mind me just lauching into an introduction. Just by doing interest searches, you seem to have alot in common with me. So since I am a lonely type person, I would like to take the time to introduce myself and ask if I could put you in my friends pages.
Christian Death? Sounds like a great name for a speed metal band. But really, when your basic teachings are frought with contridictions, the abortion v. death penalty thing is like manifest destiny
3rd-Oct-2001 10:11 am (UTC) - Re: Searching found you
Go ahead and add me as a friend... it's a public journal, after all!

And just because we already know about Christian Contradictions (another good band name) doesn't mean it's not fun to find more!
3rd-Oct-2001 10:44 am (UTC) - Re: Searching found you
Contidiction? Sometimes it is mentally stimulating to debate the various contridictions in most religions. But spiritually? Let the debate go. That is the one thing that looking at Taoism gave me. letting go of the negative stuff when it becomes too much. But still, sometimes I can't help but picking on a group that has been picking on me and mine for centuries. Born again. Sure, and again, and again, and again, until my soul can make up for fiddling while Rome burned. Hehe.
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